Showing posts with label America. Show all posts
Showing posts with label America. Show all posts

Thursday, October 20, 2011

Was the Declaration of Independence legal?


Was the Declaration of Independence legal?

reported by BBC...

On Tuesday night, while Republican candidates in Nevada were debating such American issues as nuclear waste disposal and the immigration status of Mitt Romney's gardener, American and British lawyers in Philadelphia were taking on a far more fundamental topic.

Namely, just what did Thomas Jefferson think he was doing?

Some background: during the hot and sweltering summer of 1776, members of the second Continental Congress travelled to Philadelphia to discuss their frustration with royal rule.

By 4 July, America's founding fathers approved a simple document penned by Jefferson that enumerated their grievances and announced themselves a sovereign nation.

"When a long train of abuses and usurpations, pursuing invariably the same Object evinces a design to reduce them under absolute Despotism, it is their right, it is their duty, to throw off such Government, and to provide new Guards for their future security”

Called the Declaration of Independence, it was a blow for freedom, a call to war, and the founding of a new empire.

It was also totally illegitimate and illegal.

At least, that was what lawyers from the UK argued during a debate at Philadelphia's Ben Franklin Hall.

The event, presented by the Temple American Inn of Court in conjunction with Gray's Inn, London, pitted British barristers against American lawyers to determine whether or not the American colonists had legal grounds to declare secession.

For American lawyers, the answer is simple: "The English had used their own Declaration of Rights to depose James II and these acts were deemed completely lawful and justified," they say in their summary.

To the British, however, secession isn't the legal or proper tool by which to settle internal disputes. "What if Texas decided today it wanted to secede from the Union? Lincoln made the case against secession and he was right," they argue in their brief.

A vote at the end of the debate reaffirmed the legality of Jefferson and company's insurrection, and the American experiment survived to see another day.

It was an unsurprising result, considering the venue - just a few blocks away from where the Declaration was drafted. But did they get it right? Below are some more of the arguments from both sides.

The American case for the Declaration

Did the Founding Fathers have any respect for the law? The Declaration is unquestionably "legal". Under basic principles of "Natural Law", government can only be by the consent of the people and there comes a point when allegiance is no longer required in face of tyranny.

The legality of the Declaration and its validity is proven by subsequent independence movements which have been enforced by world opinion as right and just, based on the fundamental principles of equality and self-determination now reflected in the UN Charter.

The British case against it

The Declaration emerged from the second Continental Congress The Declaration of Independence was not only illegal, but actually treasonable. There is no legal principle then or now to allow a group of citizens to establish their own laws because they want to. What if Texas decided today it wanted to secede from the Union?

Lincoln made the case against secession and he was right. The Declaration of Independence itself, in the absence of any recognised legal basis, had to appeal to "natural law", an undefined concept, and to "self-evident truths", that is to say truths for which no evidence could be provided.

The grievances listed in the Declaration were too trivial to justify secession. The main one - no taxation without representation - was no more than a wish on the part of the colonists, to avoid paying for the expense of protecting them against the French during seven years of arduous war and conflict.


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Sunday, September 6, 2009

STORYHEART SUNDAY UK BLOG - THIS ROYAL THRONE OF KINGS

I was thinking about what to write in todays Sunday Blog, when something my guest on yesterdays "A Book and a Chat" (Shelley Seale) said made me think, in fact I did mention it in yesterdays blog.

The number of homeless children in India is Twenty Five Million, but how could that relate to say the number of people in various states within the USA.

In doing this I started thinking about England and how large a country Americans imagine it to be.

The name "England" is derived from the Old English word Englaland, which means "land of the Angles". The Angles were one of the Germanic tribes that settled in England during the Early Middle Ages. The Angles came from the Angeln peninsula, flanked on either side by the North Sea and the Baltic Sea. The oldest proto-human bones uncovered in the area date from 700,000 years ago/

Size wise, if we are just talking about England in comparison to US states, it would be the 32 largest in between Louisiana and Mississippi at 50,346 sq miles. England is such a small island, that the most you can be from the sea at any time is approximately 70 miles. There is a tree in Morton Derbyshire is marked as the center of England, the actual point is just outside Coton in the Elms in Derbyshire.

So England is small, narrow, yet the immigration levels have pushed population density in England to a higher level than any other major country in Europe. Within the European Union, only the island of Malta has a higher population density.

Population of England from the 2008 census was 61,000,000 people, so how does that figure compare to the American states?

California has by far the largest population of any American state with 36,756,666, Texas has 24,326,974. New York 19,490,297 and Florida 18,328,340 after which we're down to states under 13,000,000.

Of course like many states in American, England has more than it's fair share of illegal immigrants many coming from Europe and the eastern block, this made a lot more easy since the opening of the Channel Tunnel.

So next time something comes up about such and such going on in England, or how Britain stood against the might of Germany on it's own for two years before America joined in WWII just remember what a small dot of land England is.

Or as Shakespeare put it in Richard II

This royal throne of kings, this sceptred isle,
This earth of majesty, this seat of Mars,
This other Eden, demi-paradise,
This fortress built by Nature for herself
Against infection and the hand of war,
This happy breed of men, this little world,
This precious stone set in the silver sea,
Which serves it in the office of a wall
Or as a moat defensive to a house,
Against the envy of less happier lands,--
This blessed plot, this earth, this realm, this England.




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